FOUR CORNERS of 8.30

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Uncharacteristically stumped for a Slice for the midweek period I turned to a familiar corner I went past all the time when I worked in the Penn Station area between 1988-1991 and again from 2000-2004, a grungy, grimy, gritty mid-Manhattan intersection just south of Penn Station on 8th Avenue, perhaps my least favorite of all of NYC’s north-south routes. This may come out occasionally in FNY but I’m no fan of sweat, grease, dirt and the reminders that there is occasional nastiness: I break from many colleagues in the ‘urban exploration’ circuit in applauding the overall cleanup of Times Square, for example. Eradicating graffiti from the subways was a master stroke. Losing the squeegie guys. Enforcing regulations against public urination. I can go on.

SW corner: The eternal Hotel Irwin sign, on 308 West 30th, advertising rooms from $2.50, presumably for a night. Who else do we turn to for faded sign explanations that Walter Grutchfield’s 14 to 42:

The Hotel Irvin for Women was named for Mary M. Irvin (Mrs. Richard Irvin), president of the organization that worked for many years to create this residence. As early as 1914 the group planned a hotel “where self-supporting girls and women with small incomes could be accommodated comfortably and well at little cost.” (Quoting New York Times Feb. 21,1916, p.11.)

But it was not until 1924 that the group managed to acquire the land and begin construction here at 308 W 30th St. By that time the corporation consisted of Asher Mayer, president, and Charles H. Strong, treasurer. The hotel opened in 1925, “for exclusive occupany by business women,” with apartments “arranged in small flexible units with facilities for self-housekeeping” and rents “adjusted on a basis to meet the big demand that exists for this type of housing.” (Quoting here the New York Times July 4, 1924, p. 20.)

In the early 1940s the Irvin seems to have dropped the women-only policy. They went out of business in the mid-1950s.

An ad for the Hotel Irvin from 1948 shows double room rates at $2.50 up. By 1952 the double rate was $4.00.

The Irwin’s modern-day equivalent is the Chelsea Star Hotel on the corner at 300 West 30th. Not everyone who comes to town can stay at the Hilton (I can’t say Plaza any more) and the Chelsea Star is one of those places that cater to a budget-minded clientele near Penn Station. Reviews are all over the place.

What are those things bolted into the exterior wall? They help hold the building together, I know, but what do they do, exactly? And, why are windows so often bricked up?

ForgottenFan Hector Cepeda: Those are seismic retrofit supports to prevent lateral failure of the building structure … the exterior wall brackets are connected to rods that run horizontally through the spaces between the floors and ceilings. The rods are anchored at their other ends to structural beams or to an adjacent building. All of this effectively clamps the building together. This kind of fix won’t cover all types of seismic events, but it’s something that’s accepted in lieu of complete demolition.

ForgottenFan William Hohauser: Frequently in old buildings (80+ years and older), the apartments had a common hall bathroom on each floor that the tenants shared. When that started to be unacceptable and private bathrooms were demanded by renters, landlords had to find room in apartments that were never designed to have a toilet, bath or shower. The big giveaways are bricked up windows with a small window inside the original space. Other apartment buildings were designed originally as long term hotels and while they might have had private bathrooms, there were no private kitchens as the tenants ate in a common dinning room served by a staff run kitchen. Totally bricked up windows could serve as clues to where the landlord sacrificed a window in order to install wall cabinets, a sink, an oven and a refrigerator. I lived in a 1890′s era building like this for a time and I had a friend who lived in a building just off Times Square where the tenants had to still share a hall bathroom in the 1990s!

NW corner, a pair of older buildings that have been resurfaced over the last couple of decades. The corner is home to a competing budget hotel, the Manhattan Inn Hostel at 303 West 30th. Mixed reviews again. (When traveling I tend to be a B&B guy, but since I’ll admit I’m not all that gregarious, I usually creep down to the kitchen at 9AM after the other guests have left!) RIGHT: D’Aiuto, with not one but two old-school signs, one in big vinyl letters and the other in day-burning neon, produces the well-reviewed Baby Watson cheesecake.

NE corner, and a pair of late 19th Century buildings that have survived relatively unscathed. The rounded corner is a rarity on a north-south Manhatan avenue as a matter of fact. The “Molly Wee” pub’s name is derived from Irish Gaelic for “yellow hill.”

the intimidating 400 8th Avenue, home of NYC Human Resources Administration and Department of Social Services, which is a place your webmaster hopes that I never have the opportunity to visit.

Page completed April 28, 2010.






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5 Responses to FOUR CORNERS of 8.30

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  2. Steve says:

    I spend a lot of time around here, rehearsing at 251 30th Street. Have you done any slices about the musical nature of 30th between 7th and 8th?

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