I took a number of walks in mid-December before a 2+ week deep freeze set in after Christmas, and a few of these occurred on some days that were quite overcast. In the warm months I prefer to walk in brighter weather, but in the cold months I don’t mind so much, as the sun angle from November until mid-February can create some very harsh shadows, with a sharp contrast between light and dark. I have neither the equipment or inclination to carefully set up each shot with umbrellas or other light-baffling stuff, so I just lighten them up in Photoshop a smidge. On this day, no need for any of that as we had a resolute cloud cover from start to finish.
Though I was familiar with Foster Avenue quite a bit from bicycling around Brooklyn as a youth before my move to Queens in 1993, I had never walked most of its length until this particular foray. I found some interesting items, and hopefully you’ll agree. I would up traversing it from McDonald Avenue east to Kings Highway. Foster Avenue continues northeast into Canarsie, but that stretch (much of which is rather boring) will have to wait for further adventures.
GOOGLE MAP: PARKVILLE TO BROWNSVILLE
My journey today began at the Avenue H station on the Brighton line, known to most as the Q train (though the letters seem to change every few years). I’ve been all over this station in the past as I admire its modernizations, as well as its ancient stationhouse that goes back to the early 1900s as the real estate office of T.B. Ackerman, who developed much of this area as Fiske Terrace.
The Brighton Line travels in an open cut or a raised embankment for much of its length, and several east-west avenues are interrupted by it. When I bicycled in Brooklyn, Avenue H was a convenient way to traverse it, because it has a through passageway that goes under the tracks.
Though the neighborhoods south of Prospect Park are dominated by private homes, some of them spectacular and situated in Landmarked districts, Avenue H features a string of multifamily apartment buildings west of the Brighton line as far west as Ocean Parkway. This building at West 15th is actually a grouping of four very similar brick buildings that appear to have been built around 1910-1915.
A 1930s Art deco palace, Avenue H and East 14th. This is an important cross street, as south of here it joins Ocean Parkway and Coney Island Avenue as one of the rare streets that is bridged over the LIRR freight Bay Ridge branch. As such, it briefly attains two-way status.
This building at Avenue H and East 12th Street was, in a previous life, a SRO called The Hotel Oak. In the 1980s it even had a long-burned out neon sign with the name on it. When I worked at Photo-Lettering in the 1980s, one of my teammates, Joe Orenstein, lived here. He was a man of mercurial temperament. He’d be mentoring me one moment and threatening to kill me the next. He had diabetes and ultimately had some amputations; he passed away several years ago. As far as I know the former Oak still houses transients. It was in extremely bad shape until a 2014 renovation.
Here’s a look at the Oak shortly after its opening in 1908.
The building next to it on Avenue H has an unusual name: The Fabricant Arms. “Fabricant” means “manufacturer,” so perhaps the original tenants were factory workers.
As we’ll see there are some surprising classic Art Deco touches to be found in mid-Brooklyn. Here’s a diminutive corner building at Coney Island Avenue and Avenue H. Some of the details are absolutely amazing.
I was surprised to see the Kent Theatre, 1170 Coney Island Avenue near Avenue H, still running mainstream first run features. How long before it succumbs to the presence of nearby multiplexes? It opened in the late 1930s and was among famed theater architect Charles Sandblom’s last works. It’s not highly regarded by Cinematreasures commenters. The Wednesday special is $5.00.
In December 2017 the bill of fare was Justice League, Star Wars the Last Jedi, and the little-known Inoperable.
McKinley Court, 1001 Avenue H at East 10th, may well be named for President William McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt’s predecessor (veep Teddy took over after McKinley’s death). Bay Ridge’s McKinley Park is anothr namesake.
The massive apartment across Avenue H is another brick building, 801 East 10th, fairly nondescript with the exception of these household gods above the entrances.
A pair of very old dwellings on Avenue H and East 8th Streets. On the other side of the street, what are labeled as “lumber yards” on the 1929 Belcher-Hyde Atlas are now occupied by large brick apartment houses.
I zigged down Ocean Parkway for a block, then zagged west on the little-known Elmwood Avenue, which parallels the LIRR Bay Ridge branch. Here we see the Marienheim senior residence in the background with several newer homes on East 5th Street.
shul school at Elmwood Avenue and East 4th. Can anyone translate the Hebrew?
I have always been a fan of this building with its indoor porch at Elmwood and East 3rd, just a block south of Walsh Court. I wish someone would fix it up and replace the glass.
Unusually, Elmwood Avenue has a lamppost equipped with a fire alarm indicator midway between McDonald Avenue and East 2nd, but there is no actual fire alarm to be found. Perhaps it’s in the building that the lamp is sitting outside.
Speaking of lampposts, new Dwarf Davits have been appearing on avenues under elevated lines. So far, they have populated McDonald Avenue in Brooklyn and parts of Roosevelt Avenue in Jackson Heights. I imagine they will continued to proliferate. They are also equipped with short masts with sidewalk-illuminating fixtures.
The forlorn yet well-preserved brick building on 47th Street at McDonald Avenue is the former Brooklyn Post Office Parkville Station. It faced the LIRR Bay Ridge Branch tracks and may have had a railroad siding at one time. The present Parkville PO is at 6618 20th Avenue, which isn’t even in Parkville but in an eastern section of Bensonhurst called Mapleton. Currently the closest post office at this location is at 1288 Coney Island Avenue near Avenue I.
Here’s a couple of formidable sidewalk signs for a flooring concern and a tire shop at McDonald Avenue at Foster Avenue. The length of McDonald Avenue, mostly under an elevated train (the Culver Line, or the F train) is home to small manufacturers, wholesalers, and a few (very noisy) residences thrown in.
Foster Avenue forms the southern border of a very old neighborhood, really a small town, called Parkville. If you look at the Brooklyn map, it looks like a different grid that has been plunked down on the overall east-west grid, but as this 1890 map shows, it actually predates the prevailing grid, i.e., these streets came first. Indeed, as the purple coloring shows, these streets were paved before the other streets in the area were. It seems there were plans to construct an east-west grid in Parkville, but the old street scheme prevailed.
Parkville was originally known as Greenfield:
Greenfield “was laid out in 1851 on 67 acres of land which the United Freeman’s Association had bought from Johnson Tredwell,” reports The Eagle and Brooklyn, from 1893.
“To this property they added the Ditmas farm in 1852, making a total acquisition of 114 acres.”
The Greenfield name didn’t last long; the town was renamed Parkville in 1870. Ephemeral New York
Even today Greenfield/Parkville can be easily discerned on maps, since its streets run northeast against the prevailing grid between 18th and Foster Avenues and McDonald and Coney Island Avenues. South Greenfield, meanwhile, can be found between Avenues L and O from Coney Island Avenue east to Bedford Avenues. It can be picked out by the diagonal streets, Bay, Elm, Chestnut Avenues and Olean Street, that also thwart the grid. The Parkville name probably arose from its proximity to Prospect Park.
Now that I have embarked on Foster Avenue, let me indulge in a little forgotten history. Today, Brooklyn and Kings County are the same thing, as far as the public is concerned. Brooklyn’s county is Kings, and Brooklyn is a borough of NYC. Between the colonial era and the formulation of Greater New York, though, Kings County had a shifting grouping of towns that later split into the City of Brooklyn and a collection of towns. Brooklyn gradually absorbed the towns, and NYC absorbed Brooklyn.
The above map is an excerpt of the Kings County Bromley map made in 1890 (for the whole map, go here). On this map, Foster Avenue runs northeast at the bottom of the purple region, which is the Town of Flatbush. Foster Avenue was laid out on the borderline of the Towns of Flatbush and New Utrecht from McDonald (formerly Gravesend) Avenue northeast to about Flatbush Avenue, where it was on the border of Flatbush and Flatlands.
The former towns of Kings County don’t conform to current geographical realities. I’m fascinated by this: look at the little sliver of New Utrecht that extends northeast to about the Brighton Line railroad tracks; the border of the towns of Flatbush and Flatlands goes along the now-vanished Paerdegat Creek; a sliver of Gravesend (the pink area) noses up to a point where it meets Flatbush, New Utrecht and Flatlands (there should be a monument or that marker now).
These towns were all surveyed on horseback in the 1600s before there was ever a dream of creating a street grid and turning these plains into a city. And, when streets were laid out, they weren’t laid out in concordance with the town lines. Had the towns been maintained to the present, this would present several interesting political and geographical quirks!
For more on this evolution, see Curbed.
Handsome grouping of attached brick homes on Foster Avenue east of McDonald.
Engine 250 on the south side of Foster Avenue was constructed in 1928, one of the many city firehouses built during the Jimmy Walker administration. It has a plaque listing Walker and the fire commissioners that year.
With the exception of centuries-old historic houses, I seem to be more interested in apartment house design than private homes built, say, after 1940 or so. Here are a couple of distinctive apartment building fronts on Foster between McDonald Ave. and Seton Place. Look at the lettering on “Abraham Apartments.”
I’ll show the 1890 Parkville map again because I need to point out something interesting. When Greenfield’s streets were laid out after 1853 there were 5 streets running SW to NE: Franklin, Webster, Lawrence, Washington and Foster. These streets are still where they always were, but the names have shifted since then. Franklin avenue is now the eastern leg of 18th Avenue; Webster Avenue is still Webster Avenue; Lawrence Avenue runs to Ocean Parkway, but east of that it’s now Newkirk Avenue; Washington Avenue and Johnson Avenue have become Parkville Avenue.
Now notice that there are three streets that run NW to SE: 1st Street, 2nd Street and 3rd Street. Two of them have survived, 1st and 3rd; 2nd probably originally went further SE that it does, but it was overlaid when Ocean Parkway was built in the 1870s. 1st Street became East 8th, while 3rd remained in place well into the 1970s when it was renamed as Seton Place.
I believe the Seton Place renaming goes back to 1975, when New Yorker Elizabeth Ann Seton (1774-1821) was canonized, becoming the first American and first New Yorker to become a Catholic saint. Seton was associated with Manhattan and her family with Staten Island; the nearest Catholic parish is St. Rose of Lima, on Parkville Avenue east of Ocean Parkway (whose school, tangentially, was attended by Mary Tyler Moore until her family moved to California).
The question, for me, is was Seton Place marked by the Department of Traffic as 3rd Street before 1975, or did the street signs say East 3rd? 3rd Street would have been historically correct, but East 3rd would have made more sense, since East 3rd intersects Foster Avenue a little west of Seton Place.
If any residents can clear this up, do so in Comments.
East 8th Street’s intersection with Foster Avenue is also strange because for one block, it seems like the numbering is going in reverse. The sequence goes East 8th, East 9th (streets running from Foster Avenue south), East 8th again, as it is the former 1st Street of Greenfield running north from Foster, then East 10th, south. Most residents take this in stride, but to me it’s strange…
On East 8th north of Foster is a handsome brick apartment house, #731-733. The almost indecipherable Olde English blackletter script above the door says: “Muriel Scima.” possibly the builder, his wife?
I’ve taken a couple of walks down Coney Island Avenue, in spots, the past couple of years. It is mainly a corridor of auto body shops, wholesalers, gas stations, and this general atmosphere could be a legacy of its old days as a railroad corridor. There are a number of apartment buildings that sprung up during its streetcar days. Much of Coney Island Avenue contrasts mightily with the landmark neighborhoods to its immediate east such as Prospect Park South and Beverley Square, which feature highly stylized homes from the Victorian age, many of which feature lush, wide lawns.
Above we see a distinctive brick building occupying the parallelogram between Coney Island Avenue, Foster Avenue, Glenwood Road, and little Corbin Court. It may have originally been a roadhouse catering to passengers traveling on the once-rough-and-ready horse-drawn railway. Other than that, I can’t account for its distinctive design.
12/21/18: This article solves the building’s mystery, and the name of Corbin Court (below): it was built by developer John R. Corbin, for whom the alley was named.
I have always been fascinated with tiny Corbin Court, which is behind that crazy Coney Island Avenue building between Foster Avenue and Glenwood Road. For nearly its entire existence, the Department of Transportation did not mark it with a sign, but a single sign has now appeared on Foster. I knew it only from an old American Maps Colorprint atlas in my possession that was produced in the 1970s.
Glenwood Road begins at Coney Island and runs in fits and starts east, finally finishing at the Breukelen Houses in Canarsie, where it becomes Cozine Avenue. This is one of the many neighborhoods south of Prospect Park that real estate developers created in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries out of farmland; this stretch of Glenwood runs through West Midwood, which was created by developer Henry Meyer. Several homes in the area were built by the previously mentioned T.B. Ackerson. Several of these neighborhoods, such as Fiske Terrace (east of the Brighton Line) have been granted Landmarks protection, but West Midwood has not. The neighborhood is chronicled by The View From Argyle Heights.
Glenwood Road was originally malled in the 1800s as Avenue G, but fairly early on was given the Glenwood Road name, as names were thought to carry more prestige than letters by developers. This renaming was done on an irregular and unplanned fashion; hence, in Brooklyn, Avenues A and B (Brownsville) are about 5 miles away from Avenue C (Kensington)!
A pair of double-porched residences on Glenwood Road between Corbin Court and Westminster Road.
The former Wells Memorial Presbyterian Church on the corner of Argyle and Glenwood was dedicated in 1913. In recent years it has been home to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
The West Midwood development was likely marked by gateposts such as this pair at Foster Avenue and Argyle Road. I don’t know what the purpose of the hollows in the gateposts was, but residents use them as convenient trash receptacles.
Mixed use apartments and stores at Foster and Rugby Road. Note the very subtle bay window arrangement. In the long ago and far away, I sought a job at a type shop on this stretch; I was still living in Bay Ridge at the time.
Pedestrian crossing control lights at Rugby and Foster. Why do I point out this stanchion, one of thousands in the five boroughs? I can tell it was installed before 1965. That year, the fluted bases had a design change to the boxy bases that they have used ever since.
Newkirk Plaza, along the Brighton Line open subway cut between Newkirk Avenue and Foster Avenue east of East 15th, was Brooklyn’s first shopping mall. The Plaza is the product of a grade crossing elimination on the Brighton Line that took place between 1904 and 1908. This placed the line in its present-day open cut and embankment. Newkirk Plaza was created when residential buildings were placed along the line between Newkirk and Foster Avenues, and pedestrian walkways built along the open cut surrounding the station entrance. Shops occupied the ground floors along the walkways – and Brooklyn had stumbled into its first shopping mall. This occurred anywhere between 1908 and 1913. Brooklyn wouldn’t have another shopping mall until Kings Plaza at Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U opened in late 1970.
I think I’ve covered it pretty adequately on this page, but one thing I have not done is inspect the aboveground BMT stationhouse.
The stationhouse opened 8/23/1907, with the local art David Wilson’s Transit Skylight.
Then and now on East 17th south from Foster. We are now in the Landmarked Fiske Terrace-Midwood Park Historic District. Interestingly, the brick posts here used to carry glass globes; there were probably light bulbs underneath.
In 1905, T. B. Ackerson Company purchased a densely wooded tract of land and immediately cleared it, laid out streets and installed underground water, sewer, gas and electric lines. Eighteen months later, the former estate belonging to oil merchant George P. Fiske had been transformed by some 150 custom-built, detached, three-story suburban houses with heavy oak ornamental mantels, staircases, beamed ceilings and built-in bookcases, ornately bordered parquet floors and elaborate cabinetry. A landscaped median and hundreds of street trees planted at the time of development continue to contribute to the idyllic feeling of the neighborhood. Historic Districts Council
Fiske Terrace came to encompass almost the entire area bounded by Glenwood Road (then known as Avenue G) on the north, the old Manhattan Beach Railroad tracks just south of Avenue H on the south, the Brighton Beach Railroad on the west, and Ocean Avenue on the east.
NYC Landmarks Designation Report
On the left is 639 East 18th Street just off Foster. That slate blue treatment looks as if it has been there forever but it was actually done between 2014 and 2017; before that, it was brown and beige. The owners probably had to get a waiver from Landmarks to alter the exterior.
This wood-frame, Colonial Revival style house was designed by architect R.T. Schaefer and built in c.1911 by Henry Krunach and August Lemaire at a time when Midwood Park was being rapidly developed as a comfortable and convenient suburban community of freestanding residences built for New York City’s expanding middle class. The Schaefer/Krunach/Lemaire team also developed the neighboring house at 635 East 18th Street at about the same time. The house’s projecting bays and gable roofs are characteristic of the Colonial Revival style. The rear garage was built sometime between 1911 and 1929, at which time it was enlarged to accommodate two cars (ALT 10750-1929; owner: N.H. Kramer; no architect listed). By the late 1930s, the front porch was enclosed and the house remains intact to this period. LPC Designation report
Brooklyn, before it joined Greater New York, was called “The City of Churches” and Foster Avenue has its share. The Our Lady of Refuge Roman Catholic parish was founded in 1911 by the late Bishop Charles Edward McDonnell; its first edifice was constructed the following year. By 1928 the parish had outgrown the original small church, and plans were made for a massive French Gothic church building, dedicated in 1934, that nonetheless echoed the 1920s-1930s Art Deco movement. The Latin inscription above the doorway means “Mother of God, Refuge of men, pray for us.” Unlike many churches, OLR’s website has a comprehensive history of the parish and detailed description of the church building.
The Chateau Elmore and The Delamere are matching brick apartment buildings on the north side of Foster Avenue at East 22nd Street. I wonder when the massive pole on the corner of the Elmore last had a flag on it! On some maps, East 21st through 24th Streets are shown as Kenmore, Elmore, Delamere and Mansfield Places, though I’m not sure if street signs ever had those names.
The Flatbush Church of the Redeemer was founded in 1973 from the merger of Flatbush Presbyterian Church and the Flatbush Lutheran Church of the Redeemer. Its Gothic church was constructed from 1916-1922.
Take a look at these marvelous Tudors on the east side of East 23rd at Foster.
Stephens Court runs for one block between East 23rd and Flatbush Avenue north of Foster. There is a terrific corner apartment building with a curved corner (unusual in Brooklyn; but in the Bronx, apartment houses are marked by sweeping curves) and handsome attached brick residences. In Flatbush there was a long-gone Stephens Mansion; only this short street remembers the name.
Shul (it’s actually a school): the inscription over the arched window says “Ellenbogen Building”; the one on the marquee over the door says “Shalom Shachna Elementary and High School” (Shalom and Shachna are two Jewish masculine given names, often combined as a first and middle name. Ellenbogen is a surname.)
So these inscriptions are in honor of a donor to the school. They’re apparently pretty new, as Google Street View from Sept. 2014 doesn’t show either one.
That building is actually the high school and post-high-school Yeshiva. The associated elementary school, “The Cheder”, is 2 blocks over, on Foster between Elmwood and McDonald, across from the UCP building pictured.
Your article was very informative and interesting to read coming from a native “brooklynite”.. and I might add you should know that fabulous Elmwood ave corner house will get an overhaul because it just sold!
I lived at 1305 Newkirk Avenue from 1970-2 while attending Brooklyn College. I used to walk to school, mainly via Glenwood Road (when the footbridge still existed over the Brighton Line). During the short time I lived in this beautiful neighborhood, I walked extensively both to school and partially to work at the (then) Greater New York Savings Bank at Church and McDonald’s Avenues. These pictures bring back a lot of wonderful memories.
The yeshiva with the all-Hebrew lettering says on top “Binyan Elbogen,” translating roughly to “Elbogen Building,” after a philanthropic family in the Orthodox Jewish community. Likewise above the main entrance, the name inscribed is Shalom Schachne, also a philanthropist. How do yeshivas and synagogues get built? When every door, floor, table, chair, sink, lightbulb has a donor’s name on it. (OK, I made up the last one)
Nice Kevin, as usual
I grew up in the Parkville neighborhood in the 50’s and 60’s, on 51st St and 19th Ave. On Sunday mornings we’d walk to the Methodist church on Foster and Ocean Parkway along many of the streets you featured, but they’ve sure changed.
The entire area west of McDonald and Ave I was pretty much a trainyard and vacant lots. Occasionally, a freight train would leave the yard and head south on the McDonald Ave trolley tracks.
Elmwood Ave. was poorly paved with houses on one side, and the LIRR tracks on the other. The building with the UCP awning was formerly a Star Ravioli factory, and a bowling alley before that. I believe that the site may have been a coal yard which burned in the early 50’s. I remember my father being up on our roof with a hose all night putting out the embers.
I’d go with my father to the plumbing supply and adjacent lumber yard at McDonald and 47th St. He never mentioned that it used to be the old Parkville PO. Ironically, the house that he grew up in on 20th Ave and 66th St was torn down to build the “new” Parkville PO!
Our walk to church would sometimes take us past Engine 250 on Foster Ave. We kids would give them a bit of a workout in the early part of the year by collecting Christmas trees and building bonfires in the many vacant lots. Sorry guys! There was a rumor that Patty McCormack (The Bad Seed) lived in one of the houses adjacent to the firehouse, but it was never confirmed.
When first married, we lived in an apartment house on the south side of Foster Ave near East 5th St. I can’t answer the Seton Place question.
Kevin, thanks for the reminiscent walk down memory lane. Brooklyn was a great place to grow up in. Happy New Year and keep up the good work!
The bowling alley and Silver Star ravioli were separate buildings. I remember them both being open at the same time. There was a window where you could buy fresh ravioli.
The Church on Foster and Ocean Parkway was named the church of the revolving cross.
Did Ackerson also develop northern Hollis (south side of Hillside Ave. around 190th St.)? The similarities between this part of Hollis & Fiske Terrace are striking & perhaps more than coincidental.
I grew up at 2215 Newkirk Avenue, between E. 22nd Street and E. 23rd Street. Are there any stories, including pictures, of this particular area that you could send to me, including any available links? It would bring back so many memories. Thanks
The Hebrew writing on top of the building says Elbogen Building, which means the Elbogen family most likely was a major contributor to the building fund.
The writing above the door says Elementary and High School of Shalom Shachana. Shalom Shachana was a great Rabbi from the 1500s in Lublin which is or was in Eastern Europe
The large building on the corner of Elmwood Ave and McDonald that looks like a former bowling alley was Elmwood Lanes. It was the first place I ever bowled in about 1959.
A FEW BLOCKS DOWN FROM THE BOWLING ALLEY WAS MIKES POOL ROOM AND THE CULVER THEATER
The Culver Theater was on the corner of McDonald Ave and 18th Ave. I remember seeing “Godzilla” and “Creature From The Black Lagoon” there in the mid-50’s. Probably a 25¢ admission. I believe it’s now a bank.
Mikes pool room, shot pool there and then went to John the Greeks for a Burger
Mcdonald Avenue was originally named Gravesend Avenue.
The Kent movie theater used to be owned by the same person that owned the Leader movie theater , later Leader Lanes, on CIA near Webster Ave (between Newkirk and 18th Ave). The Woody Allen movie, The Purple Rose of Cairo was filmed at the Kent.
I grew up on Wellington Court between Glenwood Road and Ave H and that is still a beautiful neighborhood. It’s around the corner from the Avenue H station. Our house was built in 1899 and had stained glass windows and hardwood floors that had to be uncovered when my parents bought the home.
Thank you for the stroll through these wonderful streets. I remember walking along Glenwood Road when I was a senior at Erasmus Hall High School and searching for my first apartment. Good memories.
The first word I see on the “shul” is Yeshiva. So it is a school, not a synagogue.
Re: the Hebrew lettering…
Looks like a school. The top, “בנין עלבאגען” means “the Elbogen building” – presumably sponsored.
Similarly, the bottom, “ישיבה ומתיבתא שלום שכנא” translates to “the Shalom Shachna [names] school and high school.”
Seton Place was originally called 3 st, not east 3rd st
The street was renamed Seton place to honor Mother Seton, the first American born St.The Knights of Columbus, located on 3 st and Lawrence Ave was named Mother Seton Council #4775. They were a big influence on having 3 st renamed Seton Place.
“Mother Seton Can’t Be Beaten”
On the corner of Lawrence Ave and Seaton Pl was the home to the Knights of Columbus and I believe their Chapter Name was name after Elizabeth Seaton. That was most likely how it got names Seaton Pl. Just can’t remember when…..either late 60’s or early 70’s
I grew up on Seton Place between Parkvile and Foster Avenues, and I would love to know more history about my street. I haven’t been able to find any historical photographs 🙁
I grew up on 18th at McDonald and lived there until 1972, and Seton Pl was named that at that time. I don’t remember it being named anything else in my time there.
However, my grandparents lived in the neighborhood too, so I was back visiting a lot. So it’s possible that my memory is from then.
Just saw the photos from 1940 and there was a riding academy on what is now Parkville and Ocean Parkway, any leads on that or where to find more info?
It was the Black and White riding stables it was torn down in the late 1950s to build an apartment house. There was also a small stable across the street from St. Rose of Lima church on Newkirk Avenue.
Bill, Seton place was originally East 3 street. The Mother Seton K of C on East third street petitioned the city to rename the street. My family lived in the Parkville neighborhood from 1910 to 1990. I may have the answer to many of your question about the area.
On further review, I looked at Brooklyn street maps from the 1920s and 1940s Seton place is, in fact, on the maps as East third street. I think the confusion started sometime in the 1950s the city erroneously put up new street signs as third street the error was never corrected. I was told by a retired postman mail service was not disrupted because it was delivered to the correct zone or as none today as the zip code.
Thanks for this wonderful walk-through of some neighborhood places I love. As I write now in early December 2018, Flatbush Church of the Redeemer has just gone on the market looking to be sold for development into a large apartment building. I live around the corner in one of the buildings on Stephens Court that you photographed. Stephens Court was originally a driveway in the Stephens estate. The mansion, with its 4 Doric columns, sat inside the northwestern corner of Foster and Flatbush. In the early 1920s the widow of Mr. Stephens, having already divided and sold the lots on the north side of Stephens Court, downsized again by selling the lots along the south side of Stephens. She retained the mansion house but eliminated most of the open land around it in this way. (The same article in the NYT where I read about this noted that she also ceded to the city a small gore in front of the manor house, created by the irregular crossing of Bedford Ave, Foster, and Flatbush. Today that gore is an awkward island in the midst of constant traffic, without drainage and thus often surrounded by huge puddles.) I believe those lovely Tudors at E 23rd St and Foster may have already been developed a bit earlier when the Stephens family helped establish the Presbyterian church that preceded the Church of the Redeemer in the same location.
Look here about that: http://bit.ly/flatbushchurch
Kevin, I really enjoyed this one! BTW, those brick stanchions throughout Victorian Flatbush deserve their own walking tour. Long history of their being destroyed in motor vehicle accidents. Thanks for the shout out to https://argyleheights.blogspot.com. Long may you and FNY run!
PS Re: Corbin Court, my neighbor, Mohammed Chaudry, and I solved this riddle. It was named after master builder John Corbin who built that odd building at Foster & Coney Island Avenues per https://argyleheights.blogspot.com/2016/12/let-us-now-praise-less-than-famous.html Cheers!
Thanks. I linked this article to the story.
The Flatbush Presbyterian Church is threatened. Learn more here:
Sign the petition to support landmarking it here:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0017/0272/3619/products/neighborhood-borders-map-for-parkville-19_774x800.jpg? Parkville actually went to 60th street between Bay Parkway and 18th ave.
Parkville actually extended to 60th street. The Parkville youth Organization is located on 65th street. Here is a more current map of Parkville. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0017/0272/3619/products/neighborhood-borders-map-for-parkville-19_774x800.jpg?
I just finished reading Arthur Miller’s biography he stated he lived at 1350 East 3rd street in the Parkville section of Brooklyn. The names and boundaries of Brooklyn neighborhoods have made many changes over the years.
Kevin, Just a quick note about the point on the 1890 map where the four old towns of Kings County once met. You mentioned that there ought to be a marker there. Believe it or not, there once was. An April 27, 1894 Brooklyn Eagle story referenced a 12 foot square stone marker at that spot. More details at https://argyleheights.blogspot.com/2017/04/lotts-woods-hiawatha-road-and-12-foot.html.
I grew up on East 2nd street and 18th Ave. Lived there until 1977. The street was oddly named 3rd Street until it was renamed Seton Place in the 1970s. it probably should have been an extension of East 2nd street. 3rd Street was the only cross street from 18th Ave to Foster Road between Ocean Parkway and McDonald Ave.